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		<title>By: TROY</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-1832</link>
		<dc:creator>TROY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dani</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really fun tool. Since I found silktide score, webagogo (rip now), basic website review, raven seo test, sakui web validator, and now nibbler.

Based on nibbler algorithm, should we have a meta description tags for a tags or categories archive pages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really fun tool. Since I found silktide score, webagogo (rip now), basic website review, raven seo test, sakui web validator, and now nibbler.</p>
<p>Based on nibbler algorithm, should we have a meta description tags for a tags or categories archive pages?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Emberton</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Emberton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the last anonymous poster: the ATOM comment is a fair point and we&#039;ll add it to our list. Remember we&#039;re still adding things like this constantly, we never claimed Nibbler is ready for mainstream use yet - quite the opposite.

As for Analytics, that&#039;s more complex. The test itself has value, i.e. it is useful to know that visible Analytics is being used or not (especially as Javascript-based analytics is required for some types of user behaviour analysis, that weblog analysis isn&#039;t capable of). For most casual users, for instance, not making use of say Google Analytics is a rookie mistake. For most of our corporate clients, omitting Analytics means someone isn&#039;t doing their job properly.

However, that&#039;s not the contentious part. The issue here is your numeric summary score is being affected by what that test reports, i.e. you&#039;re being penalised for something you argue isn&#039;t relevant.  

It depends in part what meaning you give to the overall score. For Nibbler, we have a pretty basic summary system - anything we test is simply either &#039;good&#039; or &#039;bad&#039;, so there&#039;s not much room for context. Future versions will be more like SiteRay, with tests affecting specific summary criteria (e.g. &#039;marketing&#039; or &#039;accessibility&#039;) differently. In this case, the Analytics test would probably affect your &#039;Marketing&#039; score, but your overall score would be comparatively unaffected.

Also - we can&#039;t do this for Nibbler, but in SiteRay we might ask users whether they have a good reason for ignoring Analytics, or using their own proprietary solution (e.g. like Facebook and Google do). If we did this for Nibbler you&#039;d have no consistency in scoring.

I hope this makes some sense, thanks for the feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the last anonymous poster: the ATOM comment is a fair point and we&#8217;ll add it to our list. Remember we&#8217;re still adding things like this constantly, we never claimed Nibbler is ready for mainstream use yet &#8211; quite the opposite.</p>
<p>As for Analytics, that&#8217;s more complex. The test itself has value, i.e. it is useful to know that visible Analytics is being used or not (especially as Javascript-based analytics is required for some types of user behaviour analysis, that weblog analysis isn&#8217;t capable of). For most casual users, for instance, not making use of say Google Analytics is a rookie mistake. For most of our corporate clients, omitting Analytics means someone isn&#8217;t doing their job properly.</p>
<p>However, that&#8217;s not the contentious part. The issue here is your numeric summary score is being affected by what that test reports, i.e. you&#8217;re being penalised for something you argue isn&#8217;t relevant.  </p>
<p>It depends in part what meaning you give to the overall score. For Nibbler, we have a pretty basic summary system &#8211; anything we test is simply either &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;bad&#8217;, so there&#8217;s not much room for context. Future versions will be more like SiteRay, with tests affecting specific summary criteria (e.g. &#8216;marketing&#8217; or &#8216;accessibility&#8217;) differently. In this case, the Analytics test would probably affect your &#8216;Marketing&#8217; score, but your overall score would be comparatively unaffected.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; we can&#8217;t do this for Nibbler, but in SiteRay we might ask users whether they have a good reason for ignoring Analytics, or using their own proprietary solution (e.g. like Facebook and Google do). If we did this for Nibbler you&#8217;d have no consistency in scoring.</p>
<p>I hope this makes some sense, thanks for the feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: None</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nibbler complains about no feeds being found, but ignores at the same time ATOM feeds (and therefor fudges the score). People, RSS is not the only feed format. Heck, ATOM even is an actual Web standard and RSS is just a bunch of incompatible formats.

There are also various other things lowering the score. E.g., if a site uses no Nibbler-visible analytics tool, don&#039;t penalize it. Not to mention that many users see tracking tools like Google Analytics as a *bad* thing, so the report should probably reflect it *that* way.

Fix things like this, please, or your service can&#039;t be taken serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nibbler complains about no feeds being found, but ignores at the same time ATOM feeds (and therefor fudges the score). People, RSS is not the only feed format. Heck, ATOM even is an actual Web standard and RSS is just a bunch of incompatible formats.</p>
<p>There are also various other things lowering the score. E.g., if a site uses no Nibbler-visible analytics tool, don&#8217;t penalize it. Not to mention that many users see tracking tools like Google Analytics as a *bad* thing, so the report should probably reflect it *that* way.</p>
<p>Fix things like this, please, or your service can&#8217;t be taken serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Riu</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Riu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, 
I used Sitescore many years ago and i think that was the best tool for testing websites with which ever met. It&#039;s nice that now is Nibller. Thank you. 
Greetings from Poland
Riu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I used Sitescore many years ago and i think that was the best tool for testing websites with which ever met. It&#8217;s nice that now is Nibller. Thank you.<br />
Greetings from Poland<br />
Riu</p>
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		<title>By: webado</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>webado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a problem with cacheing pages previously fetched, thus no new access takes place  even after a change has been made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a problem with cacheing pages previously fetched, thus no new access takes place  even after a change has been made.</p>
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		<title>By: webado</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>webado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so no distinct user-agent.

Then what is the IP it&#039;s crawling from. I will need to enable that because my site blocks anything that looks like a proxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so no distinct user-agent.</p>
<p>Then what is the IP it&#8217;s crawling from. I will need to enable that because my site blocks anything that looks like a proxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Noble</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi webado

We are using &quot;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi webado</p>
<p>We are using &#8220;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Emberton</title>
		<link>http://nibbles.silktideblog.com/2009/09/nibbler-its-alive/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Emberton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure myself, but I&#039;ve posted your question on our Feedback system here: http://getsatisfaction.com/silktide/topics/what_is_nibblers_user_agent

If you check that later I&#039;m sure someone will answer it for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure myself, but I&#8217;ve posted your question on our Feedback system here: <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/silktide/topics/what_is_nibblers_user_agent" rel="nofollow">http://getsatisfaction.com/silktide/topics/what_is_nibblers_user_agent</a></p>
<p>If you check that later I&#8217;m sure someone will answer it for you!</p>
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		<title>By: webado</title>
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		<dc:creator>webado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your robot&#039;s user agent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your robot&#8217;s user agent?</p>
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